GTI MKII VR5 Turbo RWD

[gtsebas]

Lo mejor de ambos mundos?

Si tenes el dinero, las habilidades y el tiempo para hacerlo funcionar, por que no?

THREAD ORIGINAL: http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?6121498-the-vr5-RWD-build-thred

My thred from Dubberz

So everyone thinks Im nuts but i decided to do it anyways..

I measured up a 325 and found it is really not far off from a golf in terms of wheelbase and track width. turns out the rear wheels are actually tucked in about .5 inches on both sides compared to the golf

started with this:
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/RWD%20vr5t%20mk2/2012-10-11093732cropped.jpg

and got this:
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/RWD%20vr5t%20mk2/2012-10-20213146.jpg

then this happened:

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/RWD%20vr5t%20mk2/2012-10-27153202.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/RWD%20vr5t%20mk2/2012-10-27145713.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/RWD%20vr5t%20mk2/2012-10-27114020.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/RWD%20vr5t%20mk2/2012-10-27113958.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/RWD%20vr5t%20mk2/2012-10-22220514.jpg

then I took apart the golf

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/RWD%20vr5t%20mk2/2012-10-29201050.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/RWD%20vr5t%20mk2/2012-10-29203217.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/RWD%20vr5t%20mk2/2012-10-29205159.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/RWD%20vr5t%20mk2/2012-10-29205222.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/RWD%20vr5t%20mk2/2012-10-29224709.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/RWD%20vr5t%20mk2/2012-10-29224724.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/RWD%20vr5t%20mk2/2012-11-06200220.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/RWD%20vr5t%20mk2/2012-11-06200245.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/RWD%20vr5t%20mk2/2012-11-06200302.jpg


and now comes the fun part

this is a picture of the BMW trans - the bellhousing. I will be grafting on a vr bell housing soon
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/RWD%20vr5t%20mk2/2012-11-13202737.jpg

and here is the fitment for the rear so far. the floor is partially welded in now. I will be bolting up the suspension and putting it on the ground to see how it sits soon. the floor sits higher then some of the picures show I ended up moving it up as far as i could because I discovered 325's have huge toe in issues when you lower them too much in the rear. since i want it to look good and drive nice without retarded camber/toe in the rear I decided to move the floor up as much as i could. It sits almost exactly at the same height as the factory vw floor..

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/RWD%20vr5t%20mk2/2012-11-14214557.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/RWD%20vr5t%20mk2/2012-11-19220113.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/RWD%20vr5t%20mk2/2012-11-19220129.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/RWD%20vr5t%20mk2/2012-11-20212225.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/RWD%20vr5t%20mk2/2012-11-20212236.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/RWD%20vr5t%20mk2/2012-11-24232625.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/RWD%20vr5t%20mk2/2012-11-24232820.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/RWD%20vr5t%20mk2/2012-11-24233202.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/RWD%20vr5t%20mk2/2012-11-24233603.jpg





Hey Guys spent some time on it last night

how the engine will sit roughly
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/RWD%20vr5t%20mk2/2012-11-27192034.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/RWD%20vr5t%20mk2/2012-11-27192052.jpg

lots of welding
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/RWD%20vr5t%20mk2/2012-11-27205450.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/RWD%20vr5t%20mk2/2012-11-27215840.jpg

4 on the floor!

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/RWD%20vr5t%20mk2/2012-11-27215410.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/RWD%20vr5t%20mk2/2012-11-27215455.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/RWD%20vr5t%20mk2/2012-11-27215810.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/RWD%20vr5t%20mk2/2012-11-27220734.jpg




Finally getting somewhere, just need to finish the rear of the floor and then i can move onto the bottom.

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/RWD%20vr5t%20mk2/2012-12-03222610.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/RWD%20vr5t%20mk2/2012-12-03222209.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/RWD%20vr5t%20mk2/2012-12-03222148.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/RWD%20vr5t%20mk2/2012-12-03202004.jpg



so the floor is welded in now on all sides. I am still debating on what to coat it with. I want to seam seal it and use a good rust inhibiting paint like POR 15 but you cant put seam sealer under por15. and putting it over its quite a task since i would have to sand down the high gloss finish of it....

I have moved onto the transmission now and converted my welder to aluminum. I must say it is a lot harder to weld than steel but hey it works

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/RWD%20vr5t%20mk2/IMG_0273.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/RWD%20vr5t%20mk2/IMG_0276.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/RWD%20vr5t%20mk2/2012-12-13230007.jpg

here is the concept for the transmission. the only tricky part is going to be fitting the throw out bearing for the clutch. I can ALMOST use the stock vw one but the slave cylinder doesn't quite fit. My idea is to lengthen the actuator part equally on both sides so I don't change the throw distance. the rest of this will be straight forward welding the bell housing to the trans since i can use the vw clutch and pressure plate which means the stock starter works

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/RWD%20vr5t%20mk2/2013-01-02210653.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/RWD%20vr5t%20mk2/IMG_0266.jpg

( I will cut the diff part off the bellhousing next)

and here is my idea for a fuel tank its from a Mercedes 190-E. still not sure if it will work but its worth a shot

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/RWD%20vr5t%20mk2/2012-12-18103953.jpg



^ yeah i have done a few tack welds and it needs to be cleaned badly. I will go the extra mile to make it secure soon I'm just waiting on some argon gas for my welder then i will get to it. I was working on it Friday I have the bellhousing tacked on now. took a lot of measuring and fiddling around to make sure the input shaft was perfectly straight and the trans was perfectly square to the engine

I was very happy to find out I will be able to sit the engine under the hood. this is all due to the fact that the e30 trans has a super long input shaft. I will actually be able to make a tunnel in the bell housing for the steering rack. so stoked about this as it will save me making a custom hood and a custom steering rack!! :D

edit heres some pics

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/RWD%20vr5t%20mk2/2013-01-03212557.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/RWD%20vr5t%20mk2/2013-01-03212610.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/RWD%20vr5t%20mk2/2013-01-04223010.jpg

next step is clean the trans. then I will get to welding it up



Ok so here are some photos of where I am at

This isnt done but its getting closer. I will smooth it out and probably paint it
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/RWD%20vr5t%20mk2/2013-01-26222704_zps1524dc0d.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/RWD%20vr5t%20mk2/2013-01-26222717_zps37e3f8f1.jpg

Here is how the engine has to sit because of the steering rack. there is a small tunnel in the bell housing of the trans where the rack can pass through. It was in my best interests keeping the steering in tact because of the implications that changing it would have on the cars handling and cornering as well as the retarded amount of work involved! It is defiantely benificial to have the engine farhter back in terms of handling. moving it this far back did mean I had to remove a portion of the rain tray and move the pedal cluster over 1.75 inches

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/RWD%20vr5t%20mk2/2013-01-30223001_zps0a159c3b.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/RWD%20vr5t%20mk2/2013-01-30223014_zps899bfcb7.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/RWD%20vr5t%20mk2/2013-01-31225433_zps8e861e1a.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/RWD%20vr5t%20mk2/2013-02-05194423_zps3abe3922.jpg

This is my bushing removal too, I made it after breaking my puller. this plus lots of fire worked like a dream!

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/RWD%20vr5t%20mk2/2013-02-05194642_zps31877b01.jpg

I wire wheeled and por 15'd the rear end parts. ( I used ceramic paint on the calipers and rotor hats)
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/RWD%20vr5t%20mk2/2013-02-08125139_zps42c386f0.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/RWD%20vr5t%20mk2/2013-02-10143033_zps22b6c582.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/RWD%20vr5t%20mk2/2013-02-11221545_zpsa77df3f0.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/RWD%20vr5t%20mk2/2013-02-11221603_zps3d01c014.jpg

then I gots me a new turbo! T3T4 60 trim .63 AR Thanks Stephan!
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/RWD%20vr5t%20mk2/2013-02-13102311_zps264c15ce.jpg

Tri Turbo anyone??
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/RWD%20vr5t%20mk2/2013-02-13215757_zpsf5a815e7.jpg



Finished the trailing arm assembly, next step bolt it to the car!

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/RWD%20vr5t%20mk2/2013-02-18213334_zps4c493b64.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/RWD%20vr5t%20mk2/2013-02-18213342_zps3bc7a6e7.jpg



well it officially has a diff in it now!! Time to fit the drive shaft and make me some motor mounts

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/RWD%20vr5t%20mk2/2013-02-20203724_zpsd47fa344.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/RWD%20vr5t%20mk2/2013-02-20203805_zps6809aa96.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/RWD%20vr5t%20mk2/2013-02-20203842_zps621ecf23.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/RWD%20vr5t%20mk2/2013-02-20203952_zps3c54ac70.jpg

(dont mind the tire, when I picked up the wheels one of the tires was installed backwards lol)



here is a few

so i should explain cus the pics suck, the engine is mounted on the original transmission and engine mounts on the k frame as well as the new one i created at the front. there are also 2 transmission mounts which are not quite finished. Drive shaft is sleeved for mock up. I will get more done soon. I have been busy with work and the shop was a disaster so i cleaned it and now i will have to get this thing on 4 wheels, so i can roll it out to swap the engine on my mk3. oh and i am in the works of making a SRI using a mk3 vr lower intake :thumbup:

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/RWD%20vr5t%20mk2/2013-03-07225620_zps4fffa2c0.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/RWD%20vr5t%20mk2/2013-03-10213556_zpsdeb7ecc9.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/RWD%20vr5t%20mk2/2013-03-10222622_zpscbc164e8.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/RWD%20vr5t%20mk2/2013-03-19220651_zps80bfc5f0.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/RWD%20vr5t%20mk2/2013-03-22220410_zpsf9054b58.jpg




its on all 4 and sitting pretty good with a drive shaft mocked up (aka the engine is actually connected to the rear wheels now!!) and suspension in all 4 corners :thumbup:

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/2013-04-05223534_zps96bac900.jpg

after bath

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/2013-04-06124142_zpsda338728.jpg
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http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/2013-04-06124603_zps8764ee8f.jpg




here are a few pics. getting close to finishing the fire wall/floorthen i can pull the motor and paint. then get on to finishing this

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/2013-05-08225609_zps384e8d9d.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/2013-05-09221633_zps5043bd4e.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/2013-05-09221720_zps28f4fe3a.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/2013-05-19124733_zpscb0a23fc.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/2013-05-19124750_zps32ba3df6.jpg



Ok I have found a way to make this a lot better. I will be adding Gussets to the top brackets that connect the motor to the mounts

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/RWD%20vr5t%20mk2/2013-05-29205543_zpsf6c97b46.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/RWD%20vr5t%20mk2/2013-05-29205552_zps1816960c.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/RWD%20vr5t%20mk2/2013-05-29220353_zps99a26222.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/RWD%20vr5t%20mk2/2013-05-29221917_zpsab2c91cc.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/RWD%20vr5t%20mk2/2013-05-29221933_zps0d35b5fa.jpg



thanks! gussets going on tonight. got me some slicks! Thanks Rhuari!

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/RWD%20vr5t%20mk2/2013-06-02220222_zpsf9e9316e.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/RWD%20vr5t%20mk2/2013-06-02220415_zps93180be8.jpg



here is the bay progress so far. It will be gloss black like before minus a few holes

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/RWD%20vr5t%20mk2/2013-06-03222147_zps6ef58578.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/RWD%20vr5t%20mk2/2013-06-03222129_zpsc5f43459.jpg



so here is where I am at.

The Engine and trans are in the car for the last time, the bay is painted. its basically down to details. unfortunately due to the fact that I am moving this weekend the car will not be finished for volksfest

-Car needs
-brake lines
-line locks
-fuel lines
-Fuel cell and pump installed ( I have a 12 gallon cell now)
-drive shaft installed (adapters coming on Tuesday Thanks Matt!)

that should be all it needs to drive still a few things required to race though I will need drive shaft loops and a fire wall for the fuel cell in the trunk

Sorry not many pics but i thought this was a great comparison shot
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/2012-10-29203217_zps3b9e85f8.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/2013-06-25231951_zpse47f0259.jpg




http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/2013-06-10202357_zps74b81a2c.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/2013-06-10202346_zps04a03aff.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/2013-06-10220320_zps3c8c0f34.jpg

the tunnel is undercoated now too

[gtsebas]

Sigue...

Sorry for the slow update. the car runs and drives! its not finished yet but hey its a RWD golf that works. I made 1 pass at thunder in the valley on smart car tires. it wasn't awesome (2.3 sec 60 foot 15 flat at 98 mph) but that was honestly the first time I ever launched the car RWD (or any RWD car for that matter). I literally had no traction in first or second and i missed 2 shifts lol....forgive me I slept less than 8 hours in 3 days just trying to get the car there haha... when it hooks up it hauls though, I swear it has next to no additional drivetrain loss from when it was FWD. and yes is gets sideways! it really caught me off guard the first few times haha. It’s so strange it absolutely feels exactly like a mk2 in every way. Even the power steering is fully intact. The only difference is the second you apply too much power in a corner or hard acceleration when you start spinning the rear tires lol

I won’t be bringing this car out much this year. It needs to have a lot finished up on it most importantly I need to work on my diff angle as it is out a bit and causes drive-line vibrations between 80 and 120. I also have been having difficulty with my clutch master and slave. for some reason air keeps bleeding in. I need to finish the interior too but as it sits you can’t tell anything is off about the car visually. it looks 100% normal on the outside :). anywho onto the pics. Sorry for the bad quality I took them at night with my cell phone

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/2013-07-24225923_zps06ecf5bb.jpg
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[El caldo]

casi no le metiron $$$$ :adorar:

[naff 4]

Que proyecton... como decis si tenes la plata,tiemp y conocimiento ...

[henryDVS]

buen proyecto

[eduardiño2]

:adopaja:

[puma gte]

que nivel de conversion :baba:

[evalencia]

:susto: que buen proyecto :si:

[TEAM_SAML]

:adorar:

[sethman]

:sustopop:

que nivel por la gran puta

[_jko_]

:adopaja:

[chinese racing]

videitooo puee escuchar el motorcito

[beto91]

eso es tener pasciencia, dinero y amor por los autos :adopaja:

[Alfonzo)]

eso es tener pasciencia, dinero y amor por los autos :adopaja:

X32049257405289347520394852345 :clap:

[CarmanGT]

para darle quote esta bueno asjdfkldsj

:adorap:

[BURÄN]

:sustopop:

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/maxvw15/RWD%20vr5t%20mk2/2013-02-13215757_zpsf5a815e7.jpg

[pablosqy]

ahi si que hay que tener tiempo y dinero para hacer algo asi :si: bonito quedo

[ECLIPSEDOHC]

que feo esta

[xDerick]

Talega el motor, sólo el motor :adorar:

[Kal_El]

Que belleza!

[Chapulin]

shshsh, mas que todo inversión!